http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#c7cdb19e-692d-49d8-9393-20c98d5d869a This is how easy it is to create a UI in JRuby require 'java' include_class "javax.swing.JFrame" include_class "javax.swing.JLabel" frame = JFrame.new() frame.getContentPane().add(JLabel.new("This is an example.")) frame.pack() frame.setVisible(true) which beats both ruby and Java ui frameworks. Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:36 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#c7cdb19e-692d-49d8-9393-20c98d5d869a Matthew 2007-01-09T21:10:36Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#b9a2aca7-6de6-4a0f-83de-080b40d3a5bf This is going to be a interesting indeed . I only had some limited exposure to ruby (ruby on rails project) , but I liked what I saw. Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:18:31 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#b9a2aca7-6de6-4a0f-83de-080b40d3a5bf Dirk 2007-01-08T23:18:31Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#3c28efde-8cd0-4f77-804c-7450e59339f2 I dig on ruby but Java jobs are more available then ruby. I have found myself using jruby a good deal. The JRuby developers are now employees at Sun so expect the worlds to collide. Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:50:06 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#3c28efde-8cd0-4f77-804c-7450e59339f2 Matthew 2007-01-08T22:50:06Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#04cd3601-cb89-43ea-9d73-a9de2c12b362 I say that you need to use the right tool for the right job... Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:59:42 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#04cd3601-cb89-43ea-9d73-a9de2c12b362 $item.owner.firstName 2006-10-29T18:59:42Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#681a67f6-8c00-41d0-9527-96149b470cda you should probably use Ruby, then. Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:32:17 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#681a67f6-8c00-41d0-9527-96149b470cda Chris 2006-10-29T16:32:17Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#c5403ef1-82f6-49e1-9b2f-e3273088a4f3 I am not that familiar with Ruby. I have seen sample code and it looks like a scripting language. similar to Perl. What I like a bout Java is that it is strongly typed. It allows for easier maintenance and extensibility. which can often be more important than how fast you can write the initial app. what do you mean by "their fundamentals are pretty-much broken" what are you refering to? Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:08:51 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#c5403ef1-82f6-49e1-9b2f-e3273088a4f3 $item.owner.firstName 2006-10-28T18:08:51Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#6d38c6e4-c45b-493a-8185-b002a1f62be5 Sorry folks. I'm a Ruby snob now. Java requires way too much typing. And their fundamentals are pretty-much broken. Like the original vision for a language that's moving in directions its founders didn't plan for. The original model was very much security-minded, such that the language can't be flexible enough to adapt to developers' needs. And that's what's different about Ruby. It's designed with the USER in mind. The 'user' is the developer !! Imagine that. So I can do the same job in Ruby with prolly 50% less coding than Java requires. And prolly 80% less documentation lookups (what a time sink). How much time I invested in becoming Java-API literate, I shudder thinking about. Of course, Ruby can't solve all the problems Java can. Desktop apps, for example. But the point is there are languages so much better than Java, you can only hope the Man will realize the developer is the 'user'. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:19:44 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#6d38c6e4-c45b-493a-8185-b002a1f62be5 $item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T08:19:44Z