Tribe.net. Local Connections Matthew http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#c7cdb19e-692d-49d8-9393-20c98d5d869a 2007-01-09T21:10:36Z 2007-01-09T21:10:36Z

This is how easy it is to create a UI in JRuby require 'java' include_class "javax.swing.JFrame" include_class "javax.swing.JLabel" frame = JFrame.new() frame.getContentPane().add(JLabel.new("This is an example.")) frame.pack() frame.setVisible(true) which beats both ruby and Java ui frameworks.

Matthew 2007-01-09T21:10:36Z Dirk http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#b9a2aca7-6de6-4a0f-83de-080b40d3a5bf 2007-01-08T23:18:31Z 2007-01-08T23:18:31Z

This is going to be a interesting indeed . I only had some limited exposure to ruby (ruby on rails project) , but I liked what I saw.

Dirk 2007-01-08T23:18:31Z Matthew http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#3c28efde-8cd0-4f77-804c-7450e59339f2 2007-01-08T22:50:06Z 2007-01-08T22:50:06Z

I dig on ruby but Java jobs are more available then ruby. I have found myself using jruby a good deal. The JRuby developers are now employees at Sun so expect the worlds to collide.

Matthew 2007-01-08T22:50:06Z $item.owner.firstName http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#04cd3601-cb89-43ea-9d73-a9de2c12b362 2006-10-29T18:59:42Z 2006-10-29T18:59:42Z

I say that you need to use the right tool for the right job...

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-29T18:59:42Z Chris http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#681a67f6-8c00-41d0-9527-96149b470cda 2006-10-29T16:32:17Z 2006-10-29T16:32:17Z

you should probably use Ruby, then.

Chris 2006-10-29T16:32:17Z $item.owner.firstName http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#c5403ef1-82f6-49e1-9b2f-e3273088a4f3 2006-10-28T18:08:51Z 2006-10-28T18:08:51Z

I am not that familiar with Ruby. I have seen sample code and it looks like a scripting language. similar to Perl. What I like a bout Java is that it is strongly typed. It allows for easier maintenance and extensibility. which can often be more important than how fast you can write the initial app. what do you mean by "their fundamentals are pretty-much broken" what are you refering to?

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-28T18:08:51Z $item.owner.firstName http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/e1d7d361-2b1c-4934-a75a-678c774b1cc5#6d38c6e4-c45b-493a-8185-b002a1f62be5 2006-10-18T08:19:44Z 2006-10-18T08:19:44Z

Sorry folks. I'm a Ruby snob now. Java requires way too much typing. And their fundamentals are pretty-much broken. Like the original vision for a language that's moving in directions its founders didn't plan for. The original model was very much security-minded, such that the language can't be flexible enough to adapt to developers' needs. And that's what's different about Ruby. It's designed with the USER in mind. The 'user' is the developer !! Imagine that. So I can do the same job in Ruby with prolly 50% less coding than Java requires. And prolly 80% less documentation lookups (what a time sink). How much time I invested in becoming Java-API literate, I shudder thinking about. Of course, Ruby can't solve all the problems Java can. Desktop apps, for example. But the point is there are languages so much better than Java, you can only hope the Man will realize the developer is the 'user'.

$item.owner.firstName 2006-10-18T08:19:44Z