http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#130ac540-b279-4bbf-afe4-e117b1ce32e7 Totally agree. Its way more usefull to know what should not be done then knowing what 'should' be done. Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:22:47 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#130ac540-b279-4bbf-afe4-e117b1ce32e7 Matthew 2007-02-14T21:22:47Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#86474a39-32b9-4e1d-a79c-e7d02852dbe2 Let me just add this, I am quite surprised with the backseat position anti-patterns get in general when it comes to Design patterns studies, as anti-patterns are a natural extension to Design patterns. In other words, when reading about a particular Design pattern, there should be a section ready and handy on how one can abuse the pattern. Anti-patterns are neglected because they are almost taught as a different subject, whereas it should be a natural fit with Design patterns literature. Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:43:42 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#86474a39-32b9-4e1d-a79c-e7d02852dbe2 emblylan 2007-02-12T12:43:42Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#0cfa8429-2867-45c1-aa0c-cafa616c3ec0 I agree with you, but to the extent that every project (and more specifically the technologies used within the project) has its Best Practices, and Bad Practices (anti-patterns, lessons learned, case studies, call it what you will, lately it seems that the term Anti-Pattern is the in thing). I should have been more specific with my original question which was: "...studies design patterns and principles?". It should have been: "...studies design patterns and principles for designing/architecting a software module from the ground up?". By "module" I mean any piece of software that you write in isolation. Now I know that any software one writes will never be in complete isolation, but I mean it in the sense that you are actually designing software completely from the ground up, where for the most part of your design it is as good as the rest of your design. I hope this makes sense, please tell me to clarify more if not. I am aware of the anti-patterns in the scope of my work: JBoss, EJB 2.1, Struts, Socket programming, etc. For this I specifically am on the lookout for Anti-patterns (Lessons learned.) When designing software from the ground up, anti-patterns do not really play that much of a role for me, as each design principle automatically has a direct opposite, eg: - Design your classes to have high cohesion (anti: stay away from low cohesion) - Design your classes to have loose coupling (anti: tight coupling is not your friend) In summary: I agree with anti-patterns, when you write software that depends more on frameworks/tools created by others, than on your own. Design principles and patterns takes a priority for me when designing software from the ground up, which for the most part of it does not depend that much on frameworks/tools created by others. Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:43:54 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#0cfa8429-2867-45c1-aa0c-cafa616c3ec0 emblylan 2007-02-12T07:43:54Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#716a3007-5655-46be-b893-23a3d26adbf9 Antipatterns depress me: I've lived through too many of them... Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:47:15 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#716a3007-5655-46be-b893-23a3d26adbf9 Uncle Pauly 2007-02-11T19:47:15Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#b69e39dd-d481-45ec-aa48-86f6cf2962b5 Yeah, but I find that knowing antipatterns is more important to many projects. Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:26:17 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#b69e39dd-d481-45ec-aa48-86f6cf2962b5 Matthew 2007-02-11T19:26:17Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#b87b382c-8f93-4d8d-ad35-a9dbdbb1355e yes. Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:05:50 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#b87b382c-8f93-4d8d-ad35-a9dbdbb1355e Chris 2007-02-08T22:05:50Z http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#81276eac-7dcd-4522-be7a-26298e9b831b Any folks out there who studies design patterns and principles? Let me know, thanks. Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:32:35 GMT http://javamonkeys.tribe.net/thread/03dac3f0-25f1-4cc0-b3c8-8951c6934b4e#81276eac-7dcd-4522-be7a-26298e9b831b emblylan 2007-02-08T18:32:35Z